The newspaper and a table cloth: Yakup Eksioglu, Scott Carroll and some Green papyri?

Mr Yakup Eksioglu, who according to information circulated by Mike Holmes is the source of the Green Sappho and many other papyri in that collection, has recently commented on two of Brent Nongbri’s posts concerning the newest-new Sappho news. The Turkish gentleman asks if we are interested in knowing the provence of the Sappho fragments (of course we are!) and denies that there are shady aspects in the history of those papyri (scroll down the comments here and here).

Since he is in the mood of speaking, I’d like to hear what he has eventually to say about some other papyri that I think also come from him and perhaps are with Mr Green.

In early November 2009 Scott Carroll announced on his public Facebook account that he was going to travel soon to Istanbul and Jerusalem for some shopping. These are indeed two most interesting cities for antiquities hunters. The first is the main location of Mr Eksioglu’s business, as he explained in his old website, mixantik.com, that you can still visit through archive.org. (The email is the same he is using now in case you wish to contact him, which I would not recommend on the basis of my own experience). In Jerusalem there is another famous emporium, Baidun Antiquities, that according to Mike Holmes/Museum of the Bible official statements sold to Hobby Lobby two of the fragments stolen from the Egypt Exploration Society collection.

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Screenshot of the website of Mixantik as captured by the internet archive in November 2009

But let us go back to Scott Carroll’s Facebook account. Although it has now sadly disappeared, a number of us have visited it in the past while it was public and created archives of the enlightening lectures in papyrology and other disciplines Carroll delivered in the course of the years to his social media audience. On 30 November 2009 he flooded his followers with ca. 80 images of antiquities he acquired or saw during the above mentioned shopping spree for the Green and I believe other collections too (including his own). One of the images shows some papyrus fragments on a white table cloth which seems exactly the same as the one appearing in images posted by Eksioglu/Mixantik/ebuyerrrr in his Yasasgroup incarnation, as you can see in the two figures below.

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Fig.1: Picture downloaded from Scott Carroll’s public Facebook page, originally posted on 30 November 2009

 

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Fig. 2: Image from Yasasgroup photobucket, for background see also Paul Barford’s old blog post: http://paul-barford.blogspot.com/2012/11/turkish-seller-offers-erdfrische-papyri.html

Some days later, however, Carroll posted again a picture of the same fragments of Fig. 1, in a different arrangement:

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As you can see, the same papyri appearing in Fig. 1 are here ordered in a slightly dissimilar way. Interestingly they are lying this time on the pages of a national Egyptian newspaper. How did that newspaper and papyri arrive to Turkey and where are they now?

My interpretation would be that these were papyri fresh from the ground (as it seems from the soil still visible), excavated or obtained illegally somewhere in Egypt, wrapped up in the newspaper, and then sent to Turkey (a notorious transit-country) where they were offered for sale to irresponsible dealers/middlemen disguised as ‘academics’ like Scott Carroll and his companions.

Does Mr Eksioglu or anyone else have a better explanation?

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I thank Lynda Albertson of ARCA for cross-checking notes and images with me.

I have written on Mr Eksioglu, without mentioning his name now revealed by the Green/MOTB through Holmes, in my article ‘The Green papyri and the Museum of the Bible.’ In Jill Hicks-Keeton and Cavan Concannon (eds.), The Museum of the Bible: A Critical Introduction, 171-205. Lanham; Boulder; New York; London: Lexington Books/Fortress Academics.

 

 

 

4 thoughts on “The newspaper and a table cloth: Yakup Eksioglu, Scott Carroll and some Green papyri?

  1. Dear academicians, researchers and theologians,
    Sappho, galatians, homer’s, samuel, Mark, petrus, Jesus said my wife, 1Th Corintians,2Th Corintians etc, kept the world public opinion busy for a long time, it is very normal that these occurred because they were available as the parts obtained with the legal researches for more than at least one hundred year, these information are the archive studies became apparent,
    The accretions obtained with the legal researches remained in archives. They could not be elicited and the world could not be informed as the technical technological studies remained incapable on these archives.
    The mentioned studies are/were before UNESCO was founded and the Second World War.
    Mr Steven Green and some academicians actualized this project are accused of theft now.
    I would like to ask to who aim only blaming and hurting, upsetting the dear people as not considering these explanations!.
    Could you please share the visual and orthographical legal information indicating that any part that you claimed that it was stolen belonged to them in the past from the private and legal person and institutions with the world public opinion?
    YOU CANNOT SHARE THEM because it is not possible!.
    In your opinion, these had been absolutely stolen if they do not belong to anybody and us, either. This is your understanding, in other words it is an abstract concept!.
    I would like you know that there are the new information not known by the world yet and we do not know them at the moment, UNESCO does not know them, either. You and we do not know them, either, Why?
    Because they did not come to light yet.
    Please stop blaming people by writing the papers to cause to the abdication of reason, please get clear on information that you may give to humanity culturally and do not forget that information is not stolen! But it is only information pollution and it is experienced at the moment.
    Dear Steven Green and working Academicians They are never thieves. They did not get any stolen part from anybody, association or foundations: Steven Green succeeded a project giving information to the whole world by spending million dollars of his money and his time. He did not have any pecuniary advantage and made it for the values he believed.
    I kindly require you to set this cruel abuse aside and to go on informing the world with the right and clear information within peace friendly and fraternally.

  2. I’m going to guess that the English of the “sermon” is courtesy of Mr Google, and Mr Google is – not to put too fine a point on it – not very good at reading Turkish. I got some interesting results from using Translator to turn the English into Turkish and then from Turkish to other languages.

    It seems he is claiming that the items he mentions were obtained “before UNESCO was founded and the Second World War” and there is some secret reason why this information could not be revealed (but does not explain why it still cannot). But then he mentions the “Jesus’ Wife” papyrus as part of this group and we now know – pretty fully, I would have thought – where that particular piece of deception came from, so something wrong even with this glib tale of hidden secrets.

    The “not stolen from any person or institution” is the same argument that a number of US dealers also use for their “ask-no-questions-and-I’ll-tell-you-no-lies” goods.

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